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PostSubject: New Emperor   Fri May 19 2017, 23:04

Good evening.

Since my character has been elected as Emperor I kindly ask you to give me the moderation of all the groups I should moderate.
For all the other groups I will write in detail tomorrow who will moderate which groups.

Thanks in advance for your work.

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PostSubject: Re: New Emperor   Sat May 20 2017, 02:07

All access for the Emperor role as been granted.

If you provide me with a list of the council with their position, I can finish the set-up. You don't have to list the group names Wink

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PostSubject: Re: New Emperor   Sat May 20 2017, 09:46

Very kind of you, thanks.
Here are the names and the relative roles:

Imperial Regent: Freas
Imperial Chamberlain: Kthar von ktharrak
Imperial Chancellor: Anthonis de ligne
Imperial Councilor for Juridical Affairs: Twoflower
Imperial Councilor for Religious Affairs: Arnarion
Imperial Queen of Arms: Stormhawk (She should already have all the necessary moderations)
Imperial Secretary: Elein
Imperial Spokesperson: Konsar
President of the Imperial Diet: Cesare.copona
Imperial Marshall: Stigliz

Concerning the Navy groups, I'd ask you to pass me the moderation for the moment.

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PostSubject: Re: New Emperor   Sat May 20 2017, 13:58

I have almost completed everything, just a few access in the Chancellery to finish because there are a lot.

I have a few questions with some groups left to do:
- Head Translator: is it still Daalin ?
- Grand Master of the Imperial Household: still Elizabelle ?
- Rector of the Imperial University ? Do you keep the former decision to destroy it or you use it ?

So when we have the above and the decision about the navy, all the groups will be up-to-date

If you need anything else on the forum, please let me know

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PostSubject: Re: New Emperor   Sat May 20 2017, 18:52

I confirm, the Head Translator will remain Daalin.
Concerning the Household, I still need to think about it. But Elizabelle can keep the moderation of the group for the moment.
While for the University, I would like to open it again, but the Rector still needs to be found. You can put me as moderator for the time being.

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PostSubject: Re: New Emperor   Sat May 20 2017, 21:56

So all groups are now set-up.

The only remaining left to do when you have the names will be :
- Imperial Admiral
- Grand Master of the Imperial Household
- Rector of the Imperial University

In the meantime, you have the moderation right.

I have archived all the old topics of the reception to make it cleaner, not my job to do but it wasn't done and there was enough to set-up.
If any changes need to be done, please put the request here.

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PostSubject: Re: New Emperor   Mon May 22 2017, 07:05

If I want to add a vice-chancellor to the private chamber of the chancellor how do I add him/her?

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PostSubject: Re: New Emperor   Mon May 22 2017, 12:30

You are the modo of a group called "[Chancellery] Vice Chancellor", when you go into that group, you can add or remove the members of that group. It will be the same process when you hire or dismiss ambassadors but the name of the groups will be different. If you need help at the beginning, please let me know.

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PostSubject: Re: New Emperor   Mon May 22 2017, 15:23

Elizabelle is confirmed as Grand Master of the Imperial Household.

Thank you very much for the help to set everything up.

Now, I would kindly ask you to add me to the group of the Administrators.

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PostSubject: Re: New Emperor   Mon May 22 2017, 17:03

I am afraid I can't do that. The Emperor are never given the Admin keys. Myself only got them after the death of Jade because Raboude was overloaded with IRL work. He doesn't give the admin access to a lot of people. Only Adala and I were given that task. Now there are only me and Raboude as admin.

It's the same as the official forum; Nessie will give you modo rights, not admin rights.

I don't ask you to believe me, you can ask Raboude about it.

Edit : once the access are given, there are no reasons for me to log in as admin unless there is a request done in that section. That is why I prefer that requests are put here rather than by pm, since I wouldn't react to those.

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PostSubject: Re: New Emperor   Mon May 22 2017, 22:42

That's quite strange because I've been told that the Emperors did receive the administration rights, maybe not all the players roling the Emperor but some of them were added to the administration group.
Furthermore I found quite strange to see that Pippa was in the Administrators group just two months ago, thus not only the Emperors were given the Administration rights, maybe that was an exception but still she had the rights to Administrate this forum.

It's not like the official forum, that is a completely different matter. This is an external forum managed by players. Thus the Administration rights should be granted to those that cover the right roles within the game, as it happens in many other external forums.
I do know what I am talking about since I have already been Administrator of many other forums.

It's not that I don't believe you, but even if I wanted to contact Raboude, that would be impossible. No one heard of him since a long time.

Furthermore, if you would put me as Administrator you wouldn't have to be bothered anymore to take care of it. Since I will need to log in here everyday and I'd be able to absolve to all the Administration duties.

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PostSubject: Re: New Emperor   Mon May 22 2017, 23:34

I don't know who told you that ALL or MOST emperors had administration rights but you were misled. Please verify your source of information that are not accurate. I can assure you that since I have been on this forum, I have never seen anyone else than Raboude, Pippa, Adala or myself. I had asked myself for those admin access as Empress and Raboude denied them to me, while I was arguing for the exact same explanations that I was more often there than him. As I told you before, I only got them after the death of Jade. As for Pippa, Raboude had put her in that position on day 1, not recently and I removed her access after the death of Elias because she was not around at all...

I don't agree with your definition regarding external forum however. As the official forum, it is managed by players. The only difference is that you know the name of the administrator which is not the case for the official one... but it's players who manage them! Unless the problem is me as administrator ? Please say so if it is a problem.

Personaly, I have never seen an external forum working like you describe it. The owner of the forum gives modo right, not admin rights. If he does, he decides to whom he wants to give it. In that case, it's Raboude. It's the strict instructions that I have received when he gave me admin rights and that I have agreed to follow when he gave it to me.

I am not arguing about how forum have worked with you but from all the forum I have managed, this was not how you describe it and it also goes in contradiction with what Raboud has told me back then. I am not looking to oppose to you as a player but you have to understand that you are not the first one asking and being refused it. You also have to know that, as a player, I have been accused of everything as well as being threatened for being an administrator. I hope I will not suffer the same consequences for another refusal. I only do the forum admin with the control requested by Raboude.

The main reason was to insure a certain continuity in the forum administration and make sure that people having Admin rights knows how to administer a forum which may be your case but not all the Emperors. Please imagine what could happen in the hands of a non-experienced person.

Now, you perfectly know that if someone logs a request in the request section, I don't need to log as admin to see it, since it can be seen without any access. If you have an urgent requests, you have my skype to join me. The major part of the work has to be done within the first 72 hours of the mandate and it is done now. So unless you want to add an admiral or make a change to a role or to the forum itself, there is no future need for me to get involved.

Can you please tell me what you were hoping to accomplish by having admin rights?

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PostSubject: Re: New Emperor   Tue May 23 2017, 16:03

If the main reason was to avoid having unexperienced people playing with the control panel, the former Administrator could have helped and taught these people how to properly use it or, if that was the will of the player moving the Emperor's character, to keep the former Administrator because he/she wasn't interested in taking the Administration duties.

It's clear that we may have had different experiences over the years while we played this game. As for myself, almost all the forums I subscribed to used the system I explained in my previous post. This in order to avoid to fall in temptation of abusing of the Administrator's rights: if you are the person covering the maximum position in the game, you can't abuse of those powers because you already have all the rights to know the information contained in the forum.
(This is done because it is impossible for us, as players, to have a fully impartial Administrator and the problem of the unexperienced-forum-users is solved as I said a few lines above.)

Since you keep doing this comparison with the RK Forum, I would like you to read this announcement wrote by Brennos in BT, looking for a new Admin for the Italic zone of the forum.

I underlined the part of interest of the message.

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Hello

We are looking for new local administrators to help us with the Italian community requests and administrative tasks only, such as creating/modifying/deleting forums, groups, moderators, etc (so no censure!).

You will be at less TWO Italian-speaking Admin Forum.

If you are interested it is important that you meet some basic criteria, so you:
- are dedicated and motivated;
- access the forum every day;
- have time and are available;
- take initiative;
- can follow instructions;
- have good communication in Italian and be able to understand and write in English;
- are good team worker;
- are unbiased, impartial, neutral and fair;
- have understanding about php forum and its control panel.

Also, you need to understand that, as an administrator, your player character will not be able to be involved in politics, or have any political position. This is to unsure you do not fall into the temptation of abusing your power, and remain neutral.

This is a volunteer position that has a big impact on the player community so you will be supported throughout. We understand you are also entitled to holidays and problems happen, so we are pretty flexible and provide cover for absences, don't worry.

Idea If you are interested please contact Brennis by sending a private message on FORUM 1, stating how you meet the criteria above, and sending your skype.

Let the applications commence =)

As you yourself said it, I will underline it as well: I am not looking to oppose you as player, on the contrary I wish to deeply thank you for all the work you did as Admin of this forum.
I am just trying to figure out why my rights to the Administration are denied, since it seems I am unable to understand the reasons you reported.
Furthermore, putting me as Administrator would definitely cancel any possible future misunderstandings and threats that you had to suffer in the past and I do really mean it for I am deeply sorry for what you had to go through.

Now, since it is clear that you are only acting following the intructions of the creator of this forum and you seem to still be in contact with him, I would kindly ask you to explain him my reasoning, hoping to receive an answer from him.

We will still be using this forum anyway, just to make things clear.

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PostSubject: Re: New Emperor   Tue May 23 2017, 17:29

So, despite of how this forum have been functionning for years, you heavily insist? Let's be clear, you are requesting the rights to be an Administrator as a due when you don't even have the rights in the first place. And I don't like the underline threath that giving you the Admin rights would avoid "any possible future misunderstandings and threats".

So yes, the main reason was to avoid having unexperienced people playing with the control panel but also insure that there was continuity in the structure and avoid that someone would decide to change the structure, kick out all administrators even the owner, change all accesses, etc. I am not saying that you would do that but that was the explanations received by Raboude.

You are saying that the person covering the maximum position in the game can't abuse of those powers, I disagree. We have seen the opposite in the past.

As for the underline passage, isn't a little in contradiction with your own position to request the admin rights?

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Also, you need to understand that, as an administrator, your player character will not be able to be involved in politics, or have any political position. This is to unsure you do not fall into the temptation of abusing your power, and remain neutral.

How can you assure that you will not abuse power and remain neutral when your character has the highest power, that you are actively involved in politics?
Are you implying that I am involved in politics (which I am not), have abused my admin rights (which I never have in more than 2 years and your character is the forth emperor I help) and that I am not neutral (I have administer this forum in no partial way) ?

It really seems that you have a personal issue with ME as an administrator more than wanting the admin rights. I have no issue to let go of admin, I can even let it go NOW, and considering all the threatening and harassment that I encountered in the last mandate that would be a relief. However, I am not giving you the admin rights! Raboude will need to intervene. I haven't seen Raboude for a while now but I left him messages in 2 different places, let's see... In the meantime, if you want me out, I will and gladly !



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PostSubject: Re: New Emperor   Tue May 23 2017, 18:54

Ok, I think that we've gone far enough.

First of all, I would like to clarify that I didn't mean any threat in my words. I was referring to a further future, because I can talk for myself, but I can't know who there will be in two, three or more mandates.
Furthermore I apologize if in my speeches I seemed to be aggressive or if you felt offended somehow, that was not my intention. I wrote those posts really calm.
That's all I wanted to say.

Now, I would kindly invite you to read this: http://sring.actieforum.com/t1010-working-of-the-sring-forum

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PostSubject: Re: New Emperor   Tue May 23 2017, 19:05

I have felt offended.

Now it's not what he had told me but since it is written clearly, I have to

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The admin team of this forum exists out of former emperors, the current emperor/empress and one living player.

I will ask you to never make a change that touches the structure of the forum, the admin group or the access group permission. I will monitor any changes that you make by the security of the forum. Hence I will need to log daily. Are you ok with that ? I will give you access only when you have agreed.

In the meantime, the list is incorrect as some of those players didn't administrate the forum and I will need to change that.

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PostSubject: Re: New Emperor   Tue May 23 2017, 22:05

The Emperors are always in the group of Emperor which is quite like Admin during their reign, the presence of some former are due to Raboude normally.

I think Raboude and Jade have been in title, maybe Pippa too but after their reigns (I can be wrong but I think it was that) from the ask of Raboude who created this place normally.

But if there is a movement for asking the rights for Sovereigns and former Sovereigns to become all Admins you will receive some candidacies cheers!
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PostSubject: Re: New Emperor   Wed May 24 2017, 00:09

In my opinion she will receive your application Sleep
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PostSubject: Re: New Emperor   Wed May 24 2017, 17:44

Jade de Sparte wrote:
I have felt offended.

Now it's not what he had told me but since it is written clearly, I have to

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The admin team of this forum exists out of former emperors, the current emperor/empress and one living player.

I will ask you to never make a change that touches the structure of the forum, the admin group or the access group permission. I will monitor any changes that you make by the security of the forum. Hence I will need to log daily. Are you ok with that ? I will give you access only when you have agreed.

In the meantime, the list is incorrect as some of those players didn't administrate the forum and I will need to change that.

I agree.

Jade de sparte wrote:
Also, even though it is written, going forward, the addition of former monarch will need to be discussed by the admin team prior allowing it.

I agree with this rule too.

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PostSubject: Re: New Emperor   Wed May 24 2017, 17:53

Keys granted

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PostSubject: Re: New Emperor   Sat Jul 15 2017, 20:25

Freas wrote:
Hello! Very Happy

Can you give Lyana_ access to the imperal University? Should be solely the group "Rector of the University", if I'm not wrong.

Greetings!

Modo right of "Rector of the University" given to Lyana_

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PostSubject: Re: New Emperor   Tue Aug 22 2017, 13:57

Thank you, player of Elias, to bring this discussion up. Jade is right, that piece of text has been out of date for long and was created after a discussion, much alike this one. What happened after I wrote that post, is that the player of the emperor became aware that he had no time anyway to do all the admin stuff. Both Comyr and Ludwig never became active admins, and were removed from the admin team shortly after their reigns (honestly, I remember so few of what they did as a forum admin, that I doubt that they ever had those keys...)

This is why, when Jade became Empress, we (Adala and me) were strongly opposed against the idea of a living Emperor becoming admin. It would put the complicated structure of groups, forums and subforums at risk, while not adding anything useful. So we made the role of emperor a "superuser" with a maximum of rights, but not part of the admin team. Because of Jade's dedication, she joined the admin team after her reign and I must say, I'm very happy she did.

As for the solution put forward: I am fine with it. Just remember what you promised Wink

I wish you good luck with your reign and as always, you can count on us ghosts for making your life on this forum a bit easier.
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PostSubject: Re: New Emperor   Tue Aug 22 2017, 14:44

affraid Suspect Razz

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